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talk about a 'perfect storm' ... after months of below normal solar output, if the A.C. shuts off now...
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I don't think an ice scraper is going to be of much use there.
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that just means the storms from the north will contain more moisture...and im not against that. |
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Is this perhaps another disruption in the gulf stream?
Image source: http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/
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It sure looks like it's weakening again. Yikes. |
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IF I were living in the northeast, I'd be collecting fireword Now.
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It looks like the disruptions in the gulf stream continue. This isn't a critical stoppage but clearly a disruption. Between this and a deep solar minimum what kind of effect will it have on Europe this winter?
Source: http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/
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Bad winter in old England *and* New England |
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I noticed temps in Germany where my mom lives are way below normal.
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I think we are about to have a real winter to go along with our real recession.
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I noticed temps in Germany where my mom lives are way below normal.
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hmmm, I'll try to double check that - I know a 'little german' ...
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It's very cold (dec/jan temps) in the UK currently. There's been snow, hail, lightning, rain, and wind...At least that's what I've heard from people living there and from the weather stations there. I don't have a news report on it though.
London is currently 36F with light rain.
Temps in other areas in England are hovering around 30-32F.
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BTW - if you google "gulf stream disruption"
this thread is # ONE
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22gulf+stream+disruption%22
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It looks like the disruptions in the gulf stream continue. This isn't a critical stoppage but clearly a disruption. Between this and a deep solar minimum what kind of effect will it have on Europe this winter?
Source: http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/
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It would be interesting, to model this flow data, by this same method below:
Asking more questions, and finding additional answers to compare, gives us a gathering of knowledge, to evaluate the hypothesis skeptically, while figuring out better questions, to ask for the next set of trials.
Diversity of thought into additional areas of knowledge, gives a more rounded vision, allowing for the formation of more complex answers, and resultant better focused questions. If you can then present data, in a format that is visual enough, that it shows the balancing of several forces at work, as they really do, it would make finding the solution easier.
From a viewpoint of how the assemblage of parts seamlessly fits together, you only have to do, is to watch the (short but seemingly) endless stream of (every 15 minute) infrared and/or vapor satellite photos animated, (after fixing the jumping around of the originals, due to lack of foresight, that they might be useful some day), and synchronized by 27.32 days periods, to see the repeating cycles.
To set up five tiled windows, in the first show day one- thru27 sequentially, the as they continue on in the same stream, the cycle of the first 27 days continues anew in window #2, synchronized by Lunar declination to #1. Till they spill over into window #3 stepping in phase with the other two, #4 the same idea gives you the four basic patterns of the Rossby wave 109.3 day cycle, of global circulation, that then repeat but seasonally shifted.
In window #5 then would be the first repeat of window #1 in the same phase of the same pattern, and should look a lot like window #1. As the progression through the total series , proceeds, 6558 days into the five stacks a 6th window opens and the original day #1 in window #1 opens as #1 in window #6. As the series progresses on, real data can be viewed, in the real interactions going on.
This would give you a look into the cyclic pattern that develops from the repetitive interaction of the inner planets and Lunar declination, phase, perigee/ apogee cycles.
By adding a sliding ball, vertically moving up and down a +-30 degree scale bar (referenced from the Equator), on the side of each tile space, that shows the plot of the current Lunar declination for the time of each frame. Which will allow you to see the shifts in the Lunar declinational angle's effects, as the 18.6 Mn signal progresses.
By adding another slide bar of +-30 degrees (with the heliocentric synod conjunction with Earth, as the zero reference), at the top, of each tile you could view each outer planet as we pass them, as color coded discs labeled, J, S,U, N, shifting from left to right. From viewing this progression of the outer planets, their influences, can then be seen in the additional surges in ion flux as they go by. You can watch the changes in the normal background, of the global circulation driven by the moon and inner planets, affected by the outer planets.
Once the amount of additional angular momentum, and the process of it's coming and goings can be clearly seen, it can then be measured, it's effects calculated, and incorporated into the climate models, as a real quantized feedback. thereby giving us a much better picture, of the interactions, of all of the parts of the puzzle.
All of the necessary data is in the archives, and free to use, to those that have the where with all, to assemble the real truth, be it inconvenient or not. I will probably spend the rest of my life, trying to do it alone, out of my own funds, as I have done so far.
For application in Quake sightings, and subsequent formulating hypothesis and developing forecast parameters, you could substitute, or add (if your video resolutions is good enough), intensity quantified dots on the surface of occurring quakes (play with color coded shift and fade out time, to see time shifts etc.) and a corresponding moving open circle, showing the moving location of the earth/moon center line. |
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Things sure look different than they did when this thread was started.
http://www.oceanweather.com/data/
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And here....there is no doubt that the gulf stream had shut down earlier when this thread was started. Now with a solar minimum, It will be interesting to monitor temps across the globe. I wonder what would happen if we had a solar minimum and no gulf stream?
Britain would be an ice cube?
http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/
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It would be interesting, to model this flow data, by this same method below:
Asking more questions, and finding additional answers to compare, gives us a gathering of knowledge, to evaluate the hypothesis skeptically, while figuring out better questions, to ask for the next set of trials.
Diversity of thought into additional areas of knowledge, gives a more rounded vision, allowing for the formation of more complex answers, and resultant better focused questions. If you can then present data, in a format that is visual enough, that it shows the balancing of several forces at work, as they really do, it would make finding the solution easier.
From a viewpoint of how the assemblage of parts seamlessly fits together, you only have to do, is to watch the (short but seemingly) endless stream of (every 15 minute) infrared and/or vapor satellite photos animated, (after fixing the jumping around of the originals, due to lack of foresight, that they might be useful some day), and synchronized by 27.32 days periods, to see the repeating cycles.
To set up five tiled windows, in the first show day one- thru27 sequentially, the as they continue on in the same stream, the cycle of the first 27 days continues anew in window #2, synchronized by Lunar declination to #1. Till they spill over into window #3 stepping in phase with the other two, #4 the same idea gives you the four basic patterns of the Rossby wave 109.3 day cycle, of global circulation, that then repeat but seasonally shifted.
In window #5 then would be the first repeat of window #1 in the same phase of the same pattern, and should look a lot like window #1. As the progression through the total series , proceeds, 6558 days into the five stacks a 6th window opens and the original day #1 in window #1 opens as #1 in window #6. As the series progresses on, real data can be viewed, in the real interactions going on.
This would give you a look into the cyclic pattern that develops from the repetitive interaction of the inner planets and Lunar declination, phase, perigee/ apogee cycles.
By adding a sliding ball, vertically moving up and down a +-30 degree scale bar (referenced from the Equator), on the side of each tile space, that shows the plot of the current Lunar declination for the time of each frame. Which will allow you to see the shifts in the Lunar declinational angle's effects, as the 18.6 Mn signal progresses.
By adding another slide bar of +-30 degrees (with the heliocentric synod conjunction with Earth, as the zero reference), at the top, of each tile you could view each outer planet as we pass them, as color coded discs labeled, J, S,U, N, shifting from left to right. From viewing this progression of the outer planets, their influences, can then be seen in the additional surges in ion flux as they go by. You can watch the changes in the normal background, of the global circulation driven by the moon and inner planets, affected by the outer planets.
Once the amount of additional angular momentum, and the process of it's coming and goings can be clearly seen, it can then be measured, it's effects calculated, and incorporated into the climate models, as a real quantized feedback. thereby giving us a much better picture, of the interactions, of all of the parts of the puzzle.
All of the necessary data is in the archives, and free to use, to those that have the where with all, to assemble the real truth, be it inconvenient or not. I will probably spend the rest of my life, trying to do it alone, out of my own funds, as I have done so far.
For application in Quake sightings, and subsequent formulating hypothesis and developing forecast parameters, you could substitute, or add (if your video resolutions is good enough), intensity quantified dots on the surface of occurring quakes (play with color coded shift and fade out time, to see time shifts etc.) and a corresponding moving open circle, showing the moving location of the earth/moon center line.
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How would you tie solar output to that model?
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I wonder what would happen if we had a solar minimum and no gulf stream?
Britain would be an ice cube?
1. find a Globe
2. place a finger on Britain
3. spin Globe from East to West
4. note that finger is now in Canada
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It would be interesting, to model this flow data, by this same method below:
Asking more questions, and finding additional answers to compare, gives us a gathering of knowledge, to evaluate the hypothesis skeptically, while figuring out better questions, to ask for the next set of trials.
Diversity of thought into additional areas of knowledge, gives a more rounded vision, allowing for the formation of more complex answers, and resultant better focused questions. If you can then present data, in a format that is visual enough, that it shows the balancing of several forces at work, as they really do, it would make finding the solution easier.
From a viewpoint of how the assemblage of parts seamlessly fits together, you only have to do, is to watch the (short but seemingly) endless stream of (every 15 minute) infrared and/or vapor satellite photos animated, (after fixing the jumping around of the originals, due to lack of foresight, that they might be useful some day), and synchronized by 27.32 days periods, to see the repeating cycles.
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How would you tie solar output to that model?
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The rotation of the magnetic poles of the sun is driving the Lunar declinational movement, as the solar output shifts the driving force of the declinational movement, biases it more of less deflection from being centered on the equator, the effects show up as the difference between the Maximum extension in degrees, between the North and South culminations.
The net effect of Shifting the ITZ North or South of the previous patterns, should be easy to spot. The change in locations and intensities, of the tropical storm production, would be part of the highlight able shifts. |
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that just means the storms from the north will contain more moisture...and im not against that.
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And there are record temps and snowfall everywhere...this is just the beginning.
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Looks like it's churning away
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SST Observation
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Fatal.. the SST observation is about the only useful info on the gulf stream. The image before that is pretty much useless now. I don't really even refer to it anymore. A few years back they changed their modeling from relative values to absolute values. My impression is that relative values show the movement of water relative to the surrounding waters. That is how you could identify the gulf stream. Now they model it based on zero so it is the movement of water relative to the ground. Oceans in general circulate if even just a little. So what they are showing us is where the gulf stream should be and how fast water is moving in that area NOT where the gulf stream is and how fast the river of water is running within the larger body of water.
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Fatal.. the SST observation is about the only useful info on the gulf stream. The image before that is pretty much useless now. I don't really even refer to it anymore. A few years back they changed their modeling from relative values to absolute values. My impression is that relative values show the movement of water relative to the surrounding waters. That is how you could identify the gulf stream. Now they model it based on zero so it is the movement of water relative to the ground. Oceans in general circulate if even just a little. So what they are showing us is where the gulf stream should be and how fast water is moving in that area NOT where the gulf stream is and how fast the river of water is running within the larger body of water.
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Certainly there is something else?? The buoys and temps perhaps?
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