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and another one, i'd swear this is the same image, different date.
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On the -20 degree longitude and 65 degree lattitude right in the middle of the cove there is less ice than previously, same as with the -35 long and 65 lat in that cove and so on with the -155 long and 55 lat.
However about 58 degrees longitude and 65 degrees lat above East Canda that ice flow seems to be advancing if you look at that C shaped flow. It is without a doubt moving forward down the Western side of Southern Greenland.
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Interesting, very very interesting. It is stoping then starting then stoping. Wonder when it will just stop for a long period of time? We will see. |
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What I failed to notice was Antarctica....
along the -65 lat and the -45 and -65 degree longitudes...notice how the ice is advancing between the image posted on the 16th and todays pic.
Also observe the massive change on the -65 lat and the +45 and +65 longitudes....in fact the whole ice cap seems to be advancing out... I suppose this is to be expected since summer is over. I believe summer is from October- February. I am curious to see how far out the ice cap reaches this year compared to the last few years though.
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not everyone is freezing
Just wanted to add that the UK has had the WARMEST april since records began. How does that fit? |
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We for sure have slowed more than 10%
Research from Wood's Hole is showing from sedimentary analysis that the slowing of the Gulf Stream corresponded to the "Little Ice Age" period in Europe. What still isn't clear is exactly why it slowed.
The Gulf Stream carrying warm water to the North Atlantic slowed about 10 per cent in the Little Ice Age from 1200 to 1850, said a US study published on Wednesday that may give clues to the effects of modern global warming."......more ice skating there
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I think a innerglacier period like the midevil warm period melted the ice,,,then the gulf stream slowed. Also with the fact of less solar output. Then you had a ice age. |
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chart...
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That graphic goes well to show how much disruption even a 0.5c temperature change can make on global weather patterns.
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Ah the beauty of having this image database.
April 29, 2006
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April 23, 2007
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Sometime in 2006 they went to smoothed images. That is why the quality of the images varies so much.
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If you don't think there was a significant gulf stream disruption then compare these two images....
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Well this clearly shows there was a disruption
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And this latest SST shows a remarkable difference from the last one I posted, there is improvement. The south ice cap is advancing, and the warmer waters are slowly advancing north above the equator. There was no doubt a disruption though. It would appear things are beginning to wind up and start again...but then again...will it start back up or is this it?
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DEOS pictures show four streams going South
At DEOS http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1 You can count four(4) streams off of Gulf Stream headed South. Only two existed marginally four years ago.
Starting at very lower left, 1. a stream goes South under the Bermuda Islands(the small white worm shapes), this is a permanent feature going back four years.
2. A stream to right of one going South, it is also permanent but has become much more extreme as it originates from an eddy above it sucking flow from Stream. This eddy did not exist until about a month ago.
3. Further right, from 55 to 65 degrees originating from a pair of large eddies above is a combination of arrows going South.
4.Far right, Stream at last 'break' point(green/blue/green), the left side of break flows decisively south, while the last section of Stream eddies above it at upper right corner of picture.
Clearly the actual area of stream shown(total white-red-green area) has decreased decisively versus four years ago, and the ratio of red/green has decreased.
The only conclusion is at least a 60% plus decline in flow. We were at 146 SV(million cubic meters a second) 20 plus years ago. Ergo, we are down in the 60 SV range.
TEST; Compare total white/red/green surface area from 20 years ago to now and also compare such DEOS areas with the same volume measurements done at same place the initial volume measurement was done.. By measuring the white/red/green area shown in DEOS pictures on the dates where the actual volumes have been measured with buoys, e.g. the reported in December 2005 buoy measurement that show 30% decline from same volume buoy measurments done over previous 12 years; I predict we will get a good correlation of total white/red/green surface area to actual volumes measured. I think there were at least four such measurements taken.
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I know one thing, we are way below average for temps here in Texas this close to summer.
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Excellent NOAA link showing Gulf Stream flows.
5-04-2007 This NOAA link gives a larger picture of the Atlantic and Gulf Stream flows. The 14 Km show the greatest detail. Unfortunately it does not disconfirm the Stream weakening. http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/sst_anal_fields.html
A ToDo for someone. They have historical archives and I do not have the time to get them out and compare with the present day pictures. Who wants to volounteer and post to no1stcostlist.com and also Climate Patrol site.
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Weeky Observations
Compare the two
The temps in the Atlantic appear to be getting cooler. There is still a large mass of cold water off the New York Coast, and if you look at the East coast of Africa, the temps there are dropping. Doesnt look like the gulf stream is moving at all.
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Another Observation
Compare with last pic
http://www.climatepatrol.com...chments/sst_677.anom_677.gif
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See Gulf Stream stopped with 4 sea surface temp maps plus Ice map
5-08-07 See a stopped Gulf Stream. Pasted from no1stcostlist.comr
This is 5-04-07 NOAA sea surface temperature picture for Earth: http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/FS_km5000.gif is NOAA 50 km temperature picture of world.
This is the 14 km picture of NOrth Atlantic: http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/FS_km14fna00.gif
Both show the Gulf Stream not going across Atlantic. The 14Km confirms the DEOS site showing the GS starting to curl South. Above all, I see no evidence of a warmer stream of water continuing past 40 degrees West. All you see is a constant color shade. While west of 40 degrees West in 14 KM picture and also on 50 KM sea surface temperature map, the GS shows up clearly.
Here is DEOS http://rads.tudelft.nl/gulfstream/#fig1
Finally here is URL for Cryosphere Today = ice coverage of Earth: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ While it is under 29 year mean by about 900,000 square Km, it is not melting as fast as last year, and has in fact hesitated in its melt off. Too soon to say anything else. It is updated daily and there are historical archives to peruse.
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Well dan, it looks stopped to me, I dont know why more ppl are not talking about this.
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IF it stays stopped for any length of time, it will be impossible
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Look at this bad boy....is this odd or what?
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ya know, seemingly unrelated stories sometimes add up.
the arctic seal in FL, the T.S. running in reverse, think about them
and look at the above image...
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I fixed it.
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Andrea, our 1st storm of year formed where GS stops
A friend called me to point out that Andrea had formed right next to where the GS is now curling South. I had not heard about the storm.
I had noticed that the eddy that formed about 5 weeks ago in the DEOS pictures above the Bermuda islands in DEOS pictures had weakened in last week. Now I know why, the storm forming was sucking all the warmth from the Southward flow of water from GS that is now pooling below it in DEOS pictures.
May 10, 2007 DEOS pictures show flows inceasing to the South while the NOAA 14 Km sea temp pictures show this pooling very clearly now.
PREDICTION: East Cosat is going to get humdinger(s) of a hurracaine(s) this year and that more storms will spring into being in same area North of Bermuda.
I will bet you that there has never been a tropical storm formed that near the Florida coast in our meterological records going back over 100 years.
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