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Poland cold snap Mqy 7, May 1-3, April 21-23
http://www.tehrantimes.com/D.../9/2007&Cat=9&Num=16
Poland lost 80%+ of Apple crop plus other losses in earlier freezes in other fruit crops.
Very late for a frost even at 50 degrees to 54 degrees north.
Absolutely no discussion as it relates to wider weather problems in Europe. These freezes did not affect other countries. Sweden is due North across Baltic.
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Strange thing is I didn't see this anywhere on the local news.
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http://www.tehrantimes.com/D.../9/2007&Cat=9&Num=16
Poland lost 80%+ of Apple crop plus other losses in earlier freezes in other fruit crops.
Very late for a frost even at 50 degrees to 54 degrees north.
Absolutely no discussion as it relates to wider weather problems in Europe. These freezes did not affect other countries. Sweden is due North across Baltic.
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Good find dan
Another Link
http://www.eubusiness.com/news_live/1178625614.03
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I see no improvement. If you look at the pic I posted in April http://www.climatepatrol.com...tachments/latest_sst_187.gif and todays pic the Atlantic IS GETTING COOLER. All you have to do is compare the water between Africa and South America.
Open two browsers and open a pic in each one and switch back and forth.
Anybody doubt the currents are not screwed up??????? I'd like to hear their theory because something is seriously wrong.
Look at the north ice cap on both sides of Greenland...its moving south.....its growing.....we are about 15 days from June.
I feel there is something totally wrong at this point. This was not caused by some low pressure system or weather anomaly. These pics are 1 month apart. That is too much time....something big is happening.
I'm not saying its the end of the earth or life as we know it but I'd like to see things getting warmer by next month. Around the end of June or the beginning of July we have our longest day and everyday past that gets shorter...doesn't give us much time to warm things up.
I am going to go get drunk 
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You are doing a great job keeping up on this stuff. It is a bit odd that the water is cooling off of Africa. Lets see if that trend continues or holds firm.
BTW can you drink for me too? I'm out.
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SW FL
this weekend
I'll buy for both of ya
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SW FL
this weekend
I'll buy for both of ya
well - the offer is there.
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Only way in is by plane now 
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Well this paints a prettier picture compared to the last one...
http://www.climatepatrol.com...chments/sst_994.anom_994.gif
I cannot explain the mass of cold water off of New York, nor the cooling water on the pacific side of Northern South America nor the cool water in the Atlantic between Africa and South America.
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Latest SST
Ice on the West side of Greenland is now receding, but the East side continues to advance. In fact all the way along the 75 lat seems to be advancing. I see no improvement in temps along the African coast.
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Looks like it is trying to stutter up and start...
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Compare with this last one we posted
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I tell you guys - this is the 600 lb gorilla.
the nice thing about Global Warming (finally) being in the news, is keeping track of the Canadian / Greenland Glaciers.
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A list of all relevant links to Gulf stream
http://no1stcostlist.com/ind...&file=article&sid=17
They are at top of article listed in order.
The Cryosphere Today is one of them. Ice cover not melting off as fast as last year, but still faster than 29 year mean.
The West Coast is also quite cold off Wahington, Oregon coast.
We need to look at archival footage of same dates from last two years for all the Big sea temp maps.
Of Course GS is absolutely stopped. Look at GS north link in above list. The Sargasso sea is way above normal temperature. You can see the water pooling here that normally went to Europe.
East Coast is going to get a humdinger of a storm later this year.
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East Coast is going to get a humdinger of a storm later this year
I have NO doubt of that. |
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Todays DEOS of Gulf
The GS pulses and these are getting shorter and weaker. Notice the break red/greeen/red color pattern forming at lower left corner. The first time I have noticed a 'break' forming so low.
The upper right corner is also weaker than ever before.
The Sargasso Sea is warming rapidly. I hope someone can search the archives. http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/sst_anal_fields.html
It says there are archives, but i confess my computer inadequacies at figuring out how we can get past years pictures say of North American 14 KM temp maps to compare with present.
Also http://www.weatherimages.org/data/imag389.html shows Sargasso Sea warming nicely and GS fading. Archives too.
See http://no1stcostlist.com/ind...&file=article&sid=17
for list of all links.
Supposedly professional climatologists look at these pictures, but clearly they are not "seeing", or they don't actually look, or they are being suppressed.
Last week an amazing article in NYT claim that major climatologists said Ocean Conveyer was very robust and that Greenland would have to melt almost completely to stop GS.
Well Greenland still has 95% of its ice and the GS has stopped.
Suppressed or well bought and paid for is my geuss.
This reminds me of the scene from Monty Pythons "Life of Brian" when the leaders of a sinking land stood on there tippy toes chanting "The Waters not rising" over and over as their noses went under the waves.
Warnings and Warning labels assume literate rationality on the part of a societies citizens. There is an assumption that makes an ass of U and me.
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This certainly shows more cooling in the Atlantic from the last one
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I am not sure if you can call this an improvement
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From this posted on the 19th
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I may be off base here, but isn;t the tounge of really cold water extending down the eastern seaboard to the NC/VA border unusual for being almost June?
Flipping back and forth between May 26, 2006 image and May 26, 2007 image, I see 3 differences.
1) The Gulf of Mexico is cooler in May '07.
2) The water off the coast of NC/VA/DE is cooler in May 07.
3) The tounge of warm Gulf stream current was much more pronounced in 'May '06.
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When the British Isles start feeling like Canada - will anyone notice?
perhaps not even then, if the stock market is up and american idol is on...
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BTW did you see a 17 year old won Idol? 
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NO - I remain blissfully ignorant
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When the British Isles start feeling like Canada - will anyone notice?
perhaps not even then, if the stock market is up and american idol is on...
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007230784,00.html
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The Met Office's Robin Downton said: “The air is so cold as Britain is receiving winds from the Arctic.”
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Well, April was indeed warm over there. But I checked the weather today for London and looks like a balmy 46 degrees and rainy. And looks like the wether for the restof the week won't get above ~55F.
Not a real warm start to June. |
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Well if this isn't damning proof that the gulf stream has...stopped...then I don't know what will be. I guess when the north is buried under 15 stories of snow then they will notice.
Then again, probably not unless they can figure out how to profit from it.
The next ice age is going to have to time itself between "survivor" and American Idol or it will never get noticed.
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