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The next ice age is going to have to time itself between "survivor" and American Idol or it will never get noticed.
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I'm going to paraphrase a quote from a rather B rate end of the world movie called Ice. Dr. Norman Kistler played by Udo Kier argues with this scientific nemesis Dr. Golding & Dr. Tyson (played by John Bourgeois and Elias Zarou) that they are going to sit there and argue the "shades of distinction between cataclysm and apocalypse while the country is being destroyed."
Movie Details: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160393/
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Gulf Stream Cold Spot
During this last 7 days several cold spots have formed in the same area which the Gulf Stream velocity maps have shown a southern diversion of the Atlantic current.
[bad img]http://satimg.climatepatrol.com/disk3/aa/oj33nyzrp36r5dzmd20ddd9pm8noc6d6.jpg[/bad img]
Here is the corresponding DEOS surface current map:
Original Image: rads.tudelft.nl
If you compare the maps you can see the two regions where the cold water is in the same locations as the southernly bleed-off. In fact, between May 14th and the 20th, a second southern flow branched off about 200 miles west of the first. As you can see, along the coast of the U.S. the Gulf Stream is still warm and moving, but it apparently being blocked by this cold water flowing in from the north.
If you look at the Atlantic weather right now, you will see that the Eastern U.S. coast is baking in the 90's F, but in Ireland and England the temperatures are unusually cool (as low as the 30's F at night). In fact Europe has received wild weather in the last 48 hours with winds on the coast of France at 77mph.
IMHO, this is the most disturbing thing I've seen yet. To quote the movie The Day After Tomorrow, "I think its happening ..."
Unlike Hollywood though, this shutdown is in slow-motion, and I believe we are in for a rather drawn-out weather shift ... I HOPE. |
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Welcome aboard Avastar. I think the current really thins out at about 55 and 60 west. Before the data reporting method changed you wouldn't even be able to see that current. It basically blends in with the general movement of the surrounding waters.
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BTW this is what the gulf stream images looked like before the reporting method was changed from relative to absolute.
[bad img]http://www.climatepatrol.com/images/attachments/stream-040623.gif[/bad img]
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| Quoting MattN - posted on 5/28/2007 at 16:24 |
Well, April was indeed warm over there. But I checked the weather today for London and looks like a balmy 46 degrees and rainy. And looks like the wether for the restof the week won't get above ~55F.
Not a real warm start to June.
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Had it not been for the fact that my a/c was broken and my house was really hot for a week I think I'd be complaining about 55F. Though right now that looks really appealing. BTW my a/c works again :-)
I have family in Europe and I know they have told me about how crazy things have been. Warm weather when it is supposed to be cold and cold weather when it is supposed to be warm. This gulf stream problem does get some press over there. Not this particular event but the problem in general while it is completely ignored in the U.S.
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Thanks for the welcome Indy. Yes, I agree it thins out, but I'm more concerned about the sudden appearance of 13C water (that blue dot right in the middle of the Gulf Stream) welling up out in he middle of nowhere on May 21st, then on the 24th and 25th. This is to far south west to be part of he Labrador Current.
Here is what it looked like yesterday:
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If I had to make a guess about that spot it would be that the current has gone below the surface a bit and upwelled some colder water.
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| Quoting Avastar - posted on 5/28/2007 at 21:19 |
Thanks for the welcome Indy. Yes, I agree it thins out, but I'm more concerned about the sudden appearance of 13C water (that blue dot right in the middle of the Gulf Stream) welling up out in he middle of nowhere on May 21st, then on the 24th and 25th. This is to far south west to be part of he Labrador Current.
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Welcome Avastar glad you could jump in and join us on this unusual topic. I see the blue spot you are talking about and it is indeed odd. We need to start posting the temps recorded from the buoys in that area and keeping an eye on fluctuations in water temp.
The nearest buoy i can find to that blue dot is 44011. You can see the drop in temps on this chart below. I would bet that the buoy further west (if one exists and i cannot find one) of it would show a much greater drop in temp ....more like -10 to -15 degree drop.
This is still a 5 degree drop in 1 day....seems pretty significant...we need to keep watching it. The air temp went up during the same time period by the way....
Here is the link below
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=44011
FatalWishes has attached this image:
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BTW an ocean buoy database is on my list of things to do for the site.
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too damn funny -- re-read SuperStorm - one odd reading, then another...
You're laffing right ??
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Actually, its too damn scary to even think about ... which I've been trying to avoid (with one eye ... while I'm scouring the web for more info with the other). It is a paradox knowing that this really IS the beginning. Whether or not the Gulf Stream resumes its natural path tomorrow, this is bound to happen more and more until it just shuts down altogether, and thats that.
Oh, and BTW, FatalWishes, that buoy data is from Georges Banks, which is about 200 miles N.W. of the cold ring. I've roughly figured the location is about 38N 63W. |
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Gulf Stream Disruption
I am in the Uk & it is freezing at the moment.Just back from camping the holiday weekend,traditionally daytime temps are around 20-25 degrees C this year no more than 8 degrees C with a freezing wind.It was near 30 degrees C 4 weeks ago
People in the UK do not pay any attention to the gulf stream even the media reports are way behind,& never report what is really going on.I try my best to warn people that we could be under many feet of ice & snow in 20 years time but they think I am crazy.  |
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Greetings Hanavrin and welcome aboard. I don't suppose you could tell me where Waddington is? I was looking at some of the UK reports from earlier and they were at 6c (43f).
http://www.climatepatrol.com/stations/EGXW/1180414200/
Oh heck with that one. I just found the overnight temp at London / Heathrow. It was 4c or 39f. Amazing.
http://www.climatepatrol.com/stations/EGLL/1180412400/
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How can this not be huge news??? We have documented, and quite well what is going on. AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT!!!
Welcome aboard Hanavrin!!! Enjoy the ride....it is going to get interesting.
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This is exciting stuff! we're living on the cusp of so many potential disasters!
A Brit aquaintanence a couple of years ago assured me that the Gulf Stream was unstoppable. It would flow unchanged for all eternity. Even then research was showing that it was slowing. He laughed. What did I do with his postal address?...
On a personal note, this explains why our prolonged drought in Texas has ended and my lettuce is rotting. Powdery mildew on squash? Problems with overwatering? This does not happen here!
It's 75f or 23.8C, and scattered thunderstorms are in the forecast. Typically, it should be dry and hot by now.
This is very rare weather for the D/FW metroplex. |
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Looking at my local weather forecast is making me feel weird.
This is not right. It should be dry and hot.
http://www.weather.com/outlo...060?from=36hr_topnav_driving |
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On the buoy data
There is a buoy at the North tip of England and One at the southern tip.
Those are the two crucial ones. When there water temepratures drop coupled with any reduction in current speed. The ice age commences immediately for Europe.
Judging by curent temperatures, we may already be there.
By the way, 20 years it will not take to shifit more like 20 days.
The northern temp was around 50 degrees farenheit 3-4 years ago as I recall. I can not find the links to them.
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? North Atlantic temp pictures by Avastar
Could you post the link to that paticular set of pictures please. I would like to asdd to my list at http://no1stcostlist.com/ind...&file=article&sid=17
My reading of the GS is that it has effectively stopped. Take a look at this 50 KM world temperature map and the Blue area about 3/4 across Atlantic. More pronounced day before yesterday. http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/FS_km5000.gif
By mid July the s--- will have really hit the fan.
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http://weather.unisys.com/archive/sst/sst_anom-070513.gif
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
Hi everyone,
I've been reading this thread with interest and thought the above 2 links might be interesting. The first is the temperature anomaly for the N Atlantic a couple of weeks ago. As you can see there's plenty of warm water in the N Atlantic and towards the UK. The second link shows the anomalies as of today.
It looks as though there has been a rapid cooling of sea surface temperatures - but what's really interesting is that the cooling is focused on the exact areas where the NAD runs off from the Gulf Stream. This would be consistent with more energy going into the GS's southern arm. Some of the cooling might relate to surface mixing since we've had a fair amount of low pressure the last month - although it's chicken and egg, the cooling could have helped promote the trough we've seen over the UK through May.
If the cooling continues at the same pace (the sea is not significantly cold around the UK at the moment) then I'll get ready to unpack the sledge.
Incidentally the weather over the weekend was exceptionally cold and wet for the time of year, however it was just one weekend and the average temperature for this May is still running above the long term average - what will be really exciting is if we get a repeat within a week or so.
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Thanks for the links Snowforeceone. I edited one of the images in your links to show where the above normal water temps are in the Atlantic (north of the equator). It was easier to outline the above normal temps (in white) since there was so little of it. The lightest shade of blue outside of the white line represents normal. Any shade darker represents below normal which I'd guess amounts to 2/3rds of the Atlantic (again north of the equator).
Indy has attached this image:
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Greetings from Ireland  ,
Since everyone else was joining i thought i may aswell  .
I have been keeping an eye on this thread and that sst site posted above, and they haven't been above average the whole time, certainly is unusual anyway. It was freezing out there today, it fell to -0.3C in Birr in central Ireland last night but it has been colder before. It snowed across Southern England in July 75. Personally i'd love to see the GS stop but i guess that's a little selfish. It'll be interesting to see if it can sort itself out again or if it'll properly shutdown. Is that likely or would it be more likely to slowdown, or does anybody even know? |
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The guys at abovetopsecret.com are talking about it: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread282514/pg1
Other than that, not a thing out there.... |
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Hey Trogdor. Greetings from the U.S. If I had to guess I'd say it would stop at first and eventually find a weakness and go that route which may be south down the middle of the Atlantic or east from Georgia in the U.S. to somewhere near Spain or who knows. I don't think the ocean currents will simply stop for a period of time. I think they will eventually change path after a temporary stoppage.
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Welcome trogdor!
Unless someone can prove they predicted this, then I think its safe to say that no one can be sure how it will turn out.
I'll bet you a virtual pint of Guinness it restarts by July.
Not that I have a clue, but it seems like as good reason to gamble free virtual pints, as anything. |
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