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http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
Those are the official Central England Temperatures for this year - June was 1c above the 61-90 mean (which is what the UK Met Office use) - so I don't really know where NOAA has come up with the 2c? Satellite data maybe?
Anyway we can see from the CET figures that temperatures in the UK have taken a dip from May of this year - relative to the large anomalies we had seen. July is currently running below average - and based on current computer model output should stay that way. |
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1961-1990 included the negative phase of the PDO. A bulk of that period was very cold. So it makes everything look above normal on the maps. The data NOAA is now providing is pretty much useless. Why not make it 1950 - 2000? Lets get a more accurate map. So anything that shows as below normal is in reality way below normal. Anything they show as slightly above normal is likely normal or slightly below normal.
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^^^I know that and you know that, but John Q. Public is believing that above average is above average.
Let's see what their sea temps look like vs unisys. I predict NOAA will be *WAY* higher than unisys. |
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Will there be a record low Arctic sea ice minumum this summer?
Hello,
Hope everyone is well. Hat tip to dissident at theoildrum .com for this link.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere
Does this mean more melting, or less forming? Is there a difference? Speculation on future effect, anyone? Is the Arctic and Greenland the largest impactor of the Gulf stream?
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the Greenland and Canadian glaicer melt will impact the GS |
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Little Ice Age
Hello,
Wouldn't you know, they had a special on PBS on the whole process, I really learned alot.
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1505/...americanfrontiers_2007-07-20
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That was a very good aticle! |
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Raining in the UK
Hello,
After watching the pbs program and then reading this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/we...ory/0%2C%2C2131580%2C00.html
I know I am no expert but... it seems to be playing out like the program described. I would suggest it is to late for mitigation and we will just have to tough it out, survival of the fittest and that sort of rot, eh?
in addition to the pbs article there is a video that is quite good.
can we say "oh shit"! boys and girls?
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I had the strangest dream two nights ago. It was a very vivid dream. I was at my father's house in South Seattle, there was a blanket of snow, a good dusting, and everything was white. The thing was, in my dream, it was July, and we we're freaked out by a "storm" that looked more like thick volcanic ash, coming down the road. While I'm not convinced we'll see "Ice age in 2012", the current situation makes me wonder “what if”. I'm notorious for having vivid dreams about what's "bothering" me. I've dreamed about a Bird Flu Pandemic a few times, which I still think is very possible, but have realized, it could fade out, but most likely some kind of pandemic (or other global calamity) will hit us soon enough, we're due for it. However, a little Ice age or worse is far more concerning, as a pandemic usually goes away in a couple years.
There were a few odd things about the dream. My dad is pretty "green", but the more links I send him (largely thanks to Robert Felix, Matt Drudge, RSS, Google News, and this site), the more he's agreeing, "the probability is high, that the man-made global warming is overstated, and the effect is insignificant compared to what the sun and the earth can do.”
That's all paraphrased, but we've had lengthy discussions about this, so I know his view. He's way more green than me (and I'm fairly green), but agrees something is obviously very wrong with the status quo on the issue of manmade GW.
FWIW, My dad is an amateur radio freak, and had told me the sunspot cycles and the cloudiness were linked years ago, just by his own observations. A lot of this came before global warming was considered a major problem by the news.
Also Seattle is clearly colder, wetter, and much stormier than 2-3 years ago. I used to go camping (2000-2003) all the way up through January before the snow hit, in the mountains, and about 2-3 years ago, I'd be lucky to make it through early October! In the Early nineties, when I was a teen, the heat in the summer would 95-99 for weeks on end, last summer we had a few days greater than 90, about a 3 week "summer" all said and told, and lots of 67-74 degree overcast August days. The increased cloudiness is very obvious, as we used to have (1996-2003) lots of clear days, but not so much anymore, more like when I was a kid, and to my dad, more like the 60's when he was as teen, cold, cloudy, and very stormy. Since 2006 we've gotten at most 3 or 4 good snows, and some winters barely a dusting. Last winter we got some hardcore snow and cold. My fiancee is from Boise, and the snow we've getting is freaking here out, since she hasn't dealt with it for years. We haven't had very good weather in a couple years, for more than a few days. Even the parts of the mountains in Eastern Washington east of Snoqualmie and Stevens passes, which we're usually very arid we're snowed out longer, and more green year round.
Also, in the parts of the central cascades I visit, my long time stomping grounds, the glaciers are clearing advancing, the snows lasting longer, and starting earlier than I remember my entire adult life, since the mid 1990's when I first started hiking, biking, and heavily. I went camping in some form almost every weekend from March of 1996 to August 2005 when I met my Fiancee and had a hiking injury to right foot that has limited my hiking (but not biking). And we still go out every 2-3 weekend!! I'm as familiar with seasonal weather as anyone here, especially mountain weather. That's said it's humid and wet right now, like I assume a lot of the country is, much more humid than (surprisingly) normal. Seattle rains often, but not that much at one time.
OK, there, it's winded. What are all your thoughts? I keep reading iceagenow.com, and independent news reports, and the moisture, not just the last couple weeks, but the last couple years, and the record colds everywhere in the winters, is alarming. A Gulf Stream disruption is even more alarming. I don't like to be an alarmist, but from what I'm reading, a lot of the the TOP climatologists and solar physicists are predicting an ice age sooner or later. The way I see the data (being somewhat statistics heavy) is a series of sinusoidal (or almost like a pulse) following numerous cycles that eventually form a minimum, when can be worsen by volcanic activity. There are a lot of ups and downs, and apparently sudden shifts. I'm more worried about a Dalton-like or maunder-like (or worse) minimum coming soon than full glaciation. I mean, if that comes, what are you supposed to do?! Might as well have an asteroid hit, nothing you can do. A bad, bad cold snap is very probable, at least based on solar data. The changes in the Gulf Stream are even more concerning, as I'm sure everyone here is aware, a situation eerily similar to right this very second usually precede the onset of the return of continental glaciation. As much as I respect what he's done and is doing, I'd really hate for Robert Felix to turn out to be a prophet. |
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| Quoting chrisisasavage - posted on 7/22/2007 at 04:18 |
I had the strangest dream two nights ago. It was a very vivid dream. I was at my father's house in South Seattle, there was a blanket of snow, a good dusting, and everything was white. The thing was, in my dream, it was July, and we we're freaked out by a "storm" that looked more like thick volcanic ash, coming down the road. While I'm not convinced we'll see "Ice age in 2012", the current situation makes me wonder “what if”. I'm notorious for having vivid dreams about what's "bothering" me. I've dreamed about a Bird Flu Pandemic a few times, which I still think is very possible, but have realized, it could fade out, but most likely some kind of pandemic (or other global calamity) will hit us soon enough, we're due for it. However, a little Ice age or worse is far more concerning, as a pandemic usually goes away in a couple years.
There were a few odd things about the dream. My dad is pretty "green", but the more links I send him (largely thanks to Robert Felix, Matt Drudge, RSS, Google News, and this site), the more he's agreeing, "the probability is high, that the man-made global warming is overstated, and the effect is insignificant compared to what the sun and the earth can do.”
That's all paraphrased, but we've had lengthy discussions about this, so I know his view. He's way more green than me (and I'm fairly green), but agrees something is obviously very wrong with the status quo on the issue of manmade GW.
FWIW, My dad is an amateur radio freak, and had told me the sunspot cycles and the cloudiness were linked years ago, just by his own observations. A lot of this came before global warming was considered a major problem by the news.
Also Seattle is clearly colder, wetter, and much stormier than 2-3 years ago. I used to go camping (2000-2003) all the way up through January before the snow hit, in the mountains, and about 2-3 years ago, I'd be lucky to make it through early October! In the Early nineties, when I was a teen, the heat in the summer would 95-99 for weeks on end, last summer we had a few days greater than 90, about a 3 week "summer" all said and told, and lots of 67-74 degree overcast August days. The increased cloudiness is very obvious, as we used to have (1996-2003) lots of clear days, but not so much anymore, more like when I was a kid, and to my dad, more like the 60's when he was as teen, cold, cloudy, and very stormy. Since 2006 we've gotten at most 3 or 4 good snows, and some winters barely a dusting. Last winter we got some hardcore snow and cold. My fiancee is from Boise, and the snow we've getting is freaking here out, since she hasn't dealt with it for years. We haven't had very good weather in a couple years, for more than a few days. Even the parts of the mountains in Eastern Washington east of Snoqualmie and Stevens passes, which we're usually very arid we're snowed out longer, and more green year round.
Also, in the parts of the central cascades I visit, my long time stomping grounds, the glaciers are clearing advancing, the snows lasting longer, and starting earlier than I remember my entire adult life, since the mid 1990's when I first started hiking, biking, and heavily. I went camping in some form almost every weekend from March of 1996 to August 2005 when I met my Fiancee and had a hiking injury to right foot that has limited my hiking (but not biking). And we still go out every 2-3 weekend!! I'm as familiar with seasonal weather as anyone here, especially mountain weather. That's said it's humid and wet right now, like I assume a lot of the country is, much more humid than (surprisingly) normal. Seattle rains often, but not that much at one time.
OK, there, it's winded. What are all your thoughts? I keep reading iceagenow.com, and independent news reports, and the moisture, not just the last couple weeks, but the last couple years, and the record colds everywhere in the winters, is alarming. A Gulf Stream disruption is even more alarming. I don't like to be an alarmist, but from what I'm reading, a lot of the the TOP climatologists and solar physicists are predicting an ice age sooner or later. The way I see the data (being somewhat statistics heavy) is a series of sinusoidal (or almost like a pulse) following numerous cycles that eventually form a minimum, when can be worsen by volcanic activity. There are a lot of ups and downs, and apparently sudden shifts. I'm more worried about a Dalton-like or maunder-like (or worse) minimum coming soon than full glaciation. I mean, if that comes, what are you supposed to do?! Might as well have an asteroid hit, nothing you can do. A bad, bad cold snap is very probable, at least based on solar data. The changes in the Gulf Stream are even more concerning, as I'm sure everyone here is aware, a situation eerily similar to right this very second usually precede the onset of the return of continental glaciation. As much as I respect what he's done and is doing, I'd really hate for Robert Felix to turn out to be a prophet.
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All I can tell you is in Texas we either get extreme drought or exteme rain. This year has been wet and cool. e have yet to hit 100 degrees yet and its almost August. Something is whacked.....I'm thinking no massive solar X class flares are to blame lately. That is why this hurricane season will be a bust as well. I pretty much have it cracked. You can take every major hurricane and tie it to a solar flare. I know it sounds too simple...but look it up for yourself.
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Here is the apples to apples SST comparison.
July 19, 2004
[bad img]http://attachments.climatepatrol.com/sst-07222004.gif[/bad img]
Compare to the image below which is July 24, 2007. Three years difference and the images don't even compare. The 2007 map show much cooler temps covering most of the Atlantic.
Indy has attached this image:
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| Quoting FatalWishes - posted on 7/23/2007 at 22:20 |
All I can tell you is in Texas we either get extreme drought or exteme rain. This year has been wet and cool. e have yet to hit 100 degrees yet and its almost August. Something is whacked.....I'm thinking no massive solar X class flares are to blame lately. That is why this hurricane season will be a bust as well. I pretty much have it cracked. You can take every major hurricane and tie it to a solar flare. I know it sounds too simple...but look it up for yourself.
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I have been thinking that, too, but I haven't been watching things all that long. Have you seen the flat-line X-ray charts on spaceweather.com this week? I'd like to send a screen shot of it, but I'm not sure how to do it and don't have time to figure it out! 
The sun seems to mix things up when it's active. It appears that when the sun is quiet (little or no sunspots, solar flares or X-rays, etc.), that is when weather seems to be "stuck". I other words, if you are getting rain when it goes quiet, you keep getting rain. If you're dry and hot when it goes quiet, you stay hot and dry.
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I believe the sun affects us in several ways.
After large solar event we almost always see
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I said a while ago...way before hurricane season that if we didnt get any solar flares we wouldnt get any Hurricanes. Also the water temps are cooling back off so any that do form, will be weak.
2003-2005 were bad because of all the massive x class flares we got. It warmed the water up and by 2005 things were in full swing. It is so damn obvious to me what is going on yet nobody will listen to me because I'm not an expert nor do I have a piece of paper from some college claiming I know what I am talking about. Well they can take their papers and shove em where the sun don't shine because they have proven time and again they cannot predict shit. Use my system if you want accurate weather/tectonic/hurricane predictions.
Watch the sun. Watch for sunspots and flares.
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remember this one? I made this chart on 5/06 
DanG has attached this image:
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MOST EXCELLENT! 
(I wasn't around when you put that up before.) |
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somewhere on this site is a conversation between FW and I about
the related effects of increased solar output.
It honestly seems that all one has to do is recognize the pattern
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Any updates? |
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Latest SSTs (9/3/07)
Hello All,
I hope everyone is well. This is latest SST map.
http://www.oceanweather.com/data/NATL-Southern/sst.html
It appears to me, the GS is disconnected. The current and previous hurricanes Felix and Dean seem to have followed that strip of warm water. Anybody care to comment.?
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There seems to be little warm water and the storms have been lucky enough to move along what warm water there is. One thing for sure there won't be nearly as much warm water left after Felix. Between Dean and Felix they should upwell quite a bit of cooler water.
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SST for 9/4/07
Hello All,
I hope everyone is well. This is latest SST map.
http://www.oceanweather.com/data/NATL-Southern/sst.html
It appears to me, the GS is disconnected. The current and previous hurricanes Felix and Dean seem to have followed that strip of warm water. Anybody care to comment.?
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WTF?
Sorry,
Yesterday, when I posted the above, it lagged and lagged and then a storm was upon me, I have satellite so I thought that was the problem. I pray for the people of these coasts and inland areas especially the Miskito indians who have never seen anything like this(Felix).
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Don't mean to be a pest
Hello,
I have posted a few times now and it shows waiting for climate patrol for a good period without loading, then if I hit stop after a few minutes the post appears in this forum. What am I doing wrong?
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Its not you...its climatepatrol's ISP.
They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
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| Quoting FatalWishes - posted on 7/25/2007 at 15:21 |
I said a while ago...way before hurricane season that if we didnt get any solar flares we wouldnt get any Hurricanes. Also the water temps are cooling back off so any that do form, will be weak.
2003-2005 were bad because of all the massive x class flares we got. It warmed the water up and by 2005 things were in full swing. It is so damn obvious to me what is going on yet nobody will listen to me because I'm not an expert nor do I have a piece of paper from some college claiming I know what I am talking about. Well they can take their papers and shove em where the sun don't shine because they have proven time and again they cannot predict shit. Use my system if you want accurate weather/tectonic/hurricane predictions.
Watch the sun. Watch for sunspots and flares.
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# Last 30 Days Daily Solar Data
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# Sunspot Stanford GOES11
# Radio SESC Area Solar X-Ray ------ Flares ------
# Flux Sunspot 10E-6 New Mean Bkgd X-Ray Optical
# Date 10.7cm Number Hemis. Regions Field Flux C M X S 1 2 3
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2007 08 05 69 11 10 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 06 70 16 30 0 -999 A0.0 2 0 0 4 1 0 0
2007 08 07 69 13 20 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 08 69 25 90 1 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 09 67 14 40 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 10 68 14 30 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 11 68 13 20 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 12 68 11 10 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 13 68 13 20 1 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 14 69 14 20 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 15 68 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 16 67 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 17 68 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 18 68 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 19 68 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 20 69 0 0 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 21 69 11 90 1 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 22 70 12 100 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 23 71 12 100 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 24 72 12 90 0 -999 A0.0 1 0 0 3 0 0 0
2007 08 25 72 14 110 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 26 70 13 80 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 27 69 12 100 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 28 70 14 110 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 29 70 13 100 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 30 72 15 90 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 08 31 71 14 120 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
2007 09 01 71 26 80 1 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 09 02 69 14 30 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 09 03 68 15 30 0 -999 A0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
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