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I get your drift.
But his postings are still there in your forum.Begging to be answered.
To show that there is a lot more to consider than what he is showing.
The red portion I posted to you was to point out that in all of his postings in this thread.He never showed why we should be so worried about the melting rate.How it relates to the climate as a whole.And that somehow will generate that mythical "tipping point" never observed in the last Billion years.
With little ice cover over the arctic ocean.The heat will escape more rapidly and the waters cool down a little.Plus more surface area for CO2 to be readily absorbed.
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Supposedly to show that a "tipping point" has been reached?
The ice is already floating in the water.So it could not be sea levels being raised.
With a now wide open ocean.Increased evaporation and snowfall deposition is more probable. |
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How about increased evaporation rate.
Increased snowfall.
Increased absorption of CO2.
Increased heat release from the waters.
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and how r those things bad? not in my book...to quote a great philosopher, "bring it on!" lol. |
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in fact, maybe we should spray paint all the snow and ice black to speed this thing up! earth friendly spray paint of course, lol. |
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I've read several books this year about these issues. Right now, I'm forgetting which book (Svensmark's? Singer's?) made the point that the poles will trend warmer when the rest of the world is trending cooler, and vice versa.
I need to find that passage again....
Robert Felix says it's [electro]magnetic effects that are causing what we are and will be seeing. I think we will decide ultimately that electromagnetic influences from both the sun and other planets/galaxies are at the bottom of these so-called anomalies. |
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I read Svensmark's book and yeah he found that when the southern pole is colder than normal, the northern pole is warmer than normal. I don't have my book in front of me though...
"The rain it raineth every day, and every night also -- week in and week out, from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, there is nothing but rain, rain, rain, 'The windows of heaven are opened up.' Pluvius, grieved at some earth-giving wrong, weeps as if he never would dry up." - Overland Press (Olympia, WA), December 1861 |
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2012 - we cross galactic center for the 1st time in ~13k years. |
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=instant ice age. (ok not instant but I'd give it 5 years max after 2012).
That's my uneducated guess.
"The rain it raineth every day, and every night also -- week in and week out, from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, there is nothing but rain, rain, rain, 'The windows of heaven are opened up.' Pluvius, grieved at some earth-giving wrong, weeps as if he never would dry up." - Overland Press (Olympia, WA), December 1861 |
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Has 2008 already made the turn (well ahead of 2007???)
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It sure looks like the turn has been made. It appears to be in advance of 2007 and possibly even ahead of the 5 years prior to 2008.
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if u look closely, other years in the graph had up turn before continuing down...so dont get too excited just yet. |
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I think it is very safe to say we are extremely close to, if not at, minimm ice. 2008 is 400K+ km^2 above 2007.... |
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Music of the spheres (dance of the planets)
Climate history is just a big compilation of annual songs of the weather, conducted by the sun, played by the winds, surface, solar, and interplanetary, Galactic magnetic interactions writes the pages.
The moon is the base line drummer it marches to...... |
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Here is a case of CNN running an alarmist story with no basis.
| Quote From Source: | Data showing Arctic sea ice may reach its lowest level on record this summer underscores the need for governments to speed up talks on a new climate pact, the Worldwide Fund for Nature said Monday.
The WWF said observations on ice coverage and thickness pointed toward a record low for the second year in a row, continuing a "catastrophic" trend that could threaten polar wildlife and accelerate global warming.
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Source: Associated Press
Source URL: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH.../15/arctic.ice.ap/index.html
This must be the WWF's way of begging for money. Honestly a pathetic story. The data indicates that the ice has made a great recovery from last year and this data only goes back to 1979 or so. Also if you read other reports the evidence suggests that this isn't the first time the ice has been in this condition.
Arctic sea ice is recovering nicely and Antarctic sea ice is in great shape. In fact it was near record maximum levels. Doesn't look like there is a problem to me.
But hey the WWF needs money. They survive by leading you to believe there is a crisis. No crisis.. no money.
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all winter forecast
For those interested, I have gotten the temperature maps straightened out on my site, and have generated a user name and password for the use of friends here and ski lodge owners / operators, and general highway maint crews.
http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx
User name *Jackson*
password *Snobuny*
Looks colder and not quite as snowy as last year, but check your own area for your self..
This will allow you to look at maps up to the end of March 2009.
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In the username/password Aerology listed above you don't use the *'s when logging in :-) . It is just straight Jackson and Snobuny.
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It's over...
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| Quoting Aerology - posted on 9/16/2008 at 05:18 |
For those interested, I have gotten the temperature maps straightened out on my site, and have generated a user name and password for the use of friends here and ski lodge owners / operators, and general highway maint crews.
http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx
User name *Jackson*
password *Snobuny*
Looks colder and not quite as snowy as last year, but check your own area for your self..
This will allow you to look at maps up to the end of March 2009.
Richard Holle
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Hey Thanks!! Very cool. |
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I sure do hope it's cold and dry here. I don't want a drought next summer, but I love camping in dry cold weather. I get the woods to my self that way  |
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It makes sense it'd be up from last year. I don't know about sea ice extent, but in all things I've study that follow cycles, things usually trend upward from extreme lows.
You couldn't tell there's any cooling here in the Seattle area. We've had the nicest summer in years, plenty of 90+ days. It's been 80 ish and clear lately. |
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still frikin hot in SW FL ... but I guess thats a major Duh
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Not only did the sea ice extent not set a record (minimum) this year it is also recovering faster than last year.
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