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Atlantic season's 1st tropical storm forms near Belize
| Quote From Source: | MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Tropical Storm Arthur, the first named storm of the 2008 Atlantic season, formed Saturday near the coast of Belize, but was already over land and was expected to weaken later in the day, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.
As of 2 p.m. ET, the center of Arthur was located about 50 miles (80 km) north-northwest of Belize City, Belize, and about 185 miles (300 km) southwest of Cozumel, Mexico. Its winds were near 40 mph (65 km/hr) with higher gusts.
The storm was moving west-northwest at near 8 mph (13 km/hr), forecasters said. "On this track, the center of circulation will be moving over Yucatan today and early Sunday," the hurricane center said in an advisory.
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I call BS. I saw no defined center of rotation, and the highest wind speed I saw prior to landfall was 23 mph.
In the last 2 years, these guys have named any gust of wind with a cloud a tropical storm. I really think NHC is trying to intentionally inflate the number of named storms. I don't often buy into conspiracy theories, but damn. 10 years ago, this is totally a non-event. |
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i completely agree matt. |
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| Quoting MattN - posted on 6/2/2008 at 09:17 |
I call BS. I saw no defined center of rotation, and the highest wind speed I saw prior to landfall was 23 mph.
In the last 2 years, these guys have named any gust of wind with a cloud a tropical storm. I really think NHC is trying to intentionally inflate the number of named storms. I don't often buy into conspiracy theories, but damn. 10 years ago, this is totally a non-event.
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I also agree....if a storm with wind gusts of 40MPH qualifies it to be named...then pretty much any storm that hits Utah also qualifies. |
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actually, they r supposed to look at if the storm is warm cored or cold cored. |
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I couldn;t care less if it was warm or cold. There was NO defined center of rotation at all anywhere. This was at best a well organized complex of thunderstorms that moved ashore. Not saying it wouldn't have developed into something given enough tme over water, but it was nothing more than a big low pressure system when it made "landfall". |
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| Quote From Source: | Defining a Hurricane
According to the National Hurricane Center, "hurricane" is a name for a tropical cyclone that occurs in the Atlantic Ocean. "Tropical cyclone" is the generic term used for low-pressure systems that develop in the tropics.
"Tropical cyclones with maximum sustained surface winds of less than 17 meters per second (39 mph / 62.7 kph / 34 knots) are called tropical depressions. Once the tropical cyclone reaches winds of at least 17 meters per second (m/s), it is typically called a tropical storm and assigned a name. If winds reach 33 m/s (74 mph / 119 kph / 64 kt), then it is called a "hurricane."
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| Quote From Source: | The storm's maximum sustained winds were near 40 mph (65 km/hr), with higher gusts, mainly over water east of its center. Tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 260 miles (415 km) from the center of the storm, forecasters said.
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Link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORL...dex.html?eref=rss_topstories
You must have not been looking the whole time Matt. While it's a weak tropical storm, it does meet the criteria. |
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the fact is, 20 years ago, this would not have been a named storm...and who is to say that they r not fudging the numbers here? theyve been doing it with "global warming" for years. |
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Assuming the definition hasn't changed, which feel free to link me to something saying it has changed in the last 20 years. Wouldn't that show an inefficiency 20 years ago, and not fudging numbers now?
If there has been a change in the last 20 years in how we define named tropical storms, please point me to it. |
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anyone remember the article that interviewed the former director of the national hurricane center where he mentioned them naming storms that he wouldnt have named back when he was director? |
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Again does that make him less efficient or more efficient than current day directors? Was he not going by definitions when he should have been? |
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thats not the point shy, the point is is that they r grading them on a slightly different scale than they used to...a scale that names more storms than it used to...which in turns the agw alarmists into stink on poop using it to further their agenda. |
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No, they're grading them on a scale that it was always defined as. It would hold that the people who weren't naming the storms based on the criteria would be the one skewing the records, not the ones who are naming them as defined. |
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OK, first of all, they HAVE changed their criteria for naming storms. They started assigning names to SUB-tropical storms a few years ago. And I *think* that has led to the NHC spending more time looking for and naming subtropicals because we seem to have 1-2 a year now, whereas I remember 10+ years ago we might have one mentioned (if even that) every 3-4 years. |
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i again agree matt. they would mention them ten years ago but they wouldnt name them. maybe we need to have a lesson in the difference of storms. |
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Okay show me the old definition or something that shows that the criteria has changed then please. Forgive me for not taking your all might word on things.
| Quoting MattN - posted on 6/4/2008 at 21:09 |
OK, first of all, they HAVE changed their criteria for naming storms. They started assigning names to SUB-tropical storms a few years ago. And I *think* that has led to the NHC spending more time looking for and naming subtropicals because we seem to have 1-2 a year now, whereas I remember 10+ years ago we might have one mentioned (if even that) every 3-4 years.
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i think what matt is saying is that they have not "changed" criteria for naming storms officially but unofficially, they have; hence, naming subtropical storms when they never used to. |
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then if the criteria has not changed they are still naming tropical storms by the same definition they should have always been naming them by. |
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It is correct about the change in the standards for naming and it was Dr. Frank that expressed his disgust. There was also the change in the calculation of surface winds made post Andrew. Prior to Andrew the surface winds were as low as 65% of flight level winds. Today surface winds are always 90% of flight level winds. That is the difference between a depression and a storm and a storm and a hurricane. It represents a significant change in how surface level winds are reported.
Or as the MSM would call it... global warming.
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thanks indy. |
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Thanks Indy nothing. He's saying that the measurements are different. That's very different from saying they just are changing the naming methods based on trying to skew data. You insist they're changed just on skewing, show me some proof. |
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Changed just on skewing? What do you mean?
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Just for skewing, sorry. |
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Shy, that's an observation change that may induce a bias. When you change the way you look at something, you can no longer directly compare measurements to previous time periods. The Enchanced Fujita scale is a fine example. The change in the wind chill charts is another. |
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