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I think right now its just so easy to blame melamine on everything. Maybe it is the problem in this case but I don't know how likely it is. There is one thing that makes me think it is possible.
Melamine makes protein levels in food appear higher. I remember reading that remaining bees in a hive were weak. Wouldn't this be expected if they weren't getting enough protein? Perhaps the rest flew off to do their job but came up short when returning to the hive. Meaning they ran out of fuel. But so far there hasn't been a dead bee find. You'd expect to find dead bees all over the place.
Who knows what the bees did when they became weak. Maybe they flew off until they collapsed and were so widely scattered that the be corpses were easily overlooked.
But with that in mind I haven't seen anything but maybe a couple of bumble bees this year where I live. There has been a lack of wasps, yellow jackets, honey bees, etc.
Has anyone else noticed a lack of other bee type creatures?
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I can't vouch for downtown Indy since I am usually inside a building or driving to and from there and have no reason to linger outside, but where I live in Greenfield we still have plenty of wasps, yellow jackets, and those teensy "sweat bee" things flying around and dropping by for a visit. Up close and personal. Ew. I am allergic and tend to get uptight when they land in my hair, but I digress.
I noticed quite a few bee-types out earlier this year than what passes for normal here, but they seem very determined to get inside for some reason. We live in apartments so maybe they are looking for flowers or some AC, who knows.
I still haven't seen a single honey bee in years. I had noticed a distinct decline while living in Arkansas and haven't seen one in at least 4 years since moving here. Because we live near active farms, it struck me as odd when we first moved here. Then again, so did the annual lady bug invasion. |
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I'd like for other people in larger cities to chime in. I wonder if I am alone in noticing a lack of bee type insects.
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There are bees on my squash today.
When my rosemary blooms, I'll have a better idea. When it blooms it is usually covered in bees.
I did notice a dead bees early in spring. |
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I'm partial to the changed-magnetic-field theory.
Here's an interesting article with a hypothesis that the bees flew too high:
http://www.synchronizm.com/b.../the-bees-who-flew-too-high/
Here's an article about how it feels to have a magnet embedded in your skin:
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/news/2006/06/71087
How does that fit together? If the scout bees use a magnetic "landmark" in their dance that tells the rest of the bees where to find pollen, but the magnetic landmark has moved since they discovered the path, and if the bees keep flying higher to find the missing magnetic landmark, that could lead them to go too high and die.
I had wondered if there were any news reports of massive numbers of bees disabling airplanes...?!? Thanks for including that!
Oh, yeah--one more thing--I noticed that I can do much of my morning shower with my eyes closed. I know where I am by the feel of the water. But if the water to suddenly stop, or to change directions--say, start coming from above, or start coming from 3 directions at once--then I would have to open my eyes because I would no longer know where to find things. It would be pretty dang traumatic, probably!
We have been at solar minimum for quite some time, with one month (or more) going with no sunspots at all, which is pretty unusual. (I've been watching http://www.spaceweather.com for a couple years.) Since a quiet sun has less emissions to bend the earth's magnetic field, I'm wondering if the unbent magnetic field is higher above the earth than the bent field.
One more thing--some of the reading I've done about this indicates that in the 1950s there was another disappearance of honeybees--and in the 1980s. It sounds like something that flows with the sun cycle.
Since we're starting to have more sunspots again, I'm watching for reports that the bees are recovering (or at least returning to their previous habitats).
In the meantime, I understand that New Zealand has been a good source of queen bees for places in the northern hemisphere that have lost theirs. |
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I've seen stories about magnetic north drifting. Also isn't there evidence that the magnetic field has been slowly weakening? Would this have an impact? Now I know power lines produce a magnetic flux. Could this be causing problems as well? Maybe our expanding power grid is the culprit.
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Yes, I've read that, too, about the magnetic field weakening. I've been watching both spaceweather.com and iceagenow.com for about 2 years. It's interesting to check them together.
I think the bees can cope with our artificial EM fields, but I think when things they have come to depend on suddenly change, then that's when they get in trouble. And I think that the timing of the change has a big impact on their reaction. |
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Yes on both, the MF does drift and it *is* weakening.
we may be approaching a magnetic reversal, or flip.
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A magnetic reversal will make Y2k look like nothing. It will likely lead to a mass extinction of all migratory animals. Every airplane in the world will need their compasses replaced. Same goes for every ship. What else?
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Its difficult to say in our 21st century techo-world, but the effects
may be far reaching.
also remember there is evidence that hugh techtonic activity occurs during the mag. reversals.
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Wouldn't our own sense of radar and direction be knocked out too? I know I get disoriented easily enough as it is, a magnetic reversal would really screw me up. |
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I don't think our radar would. It shoots out a signal and waits for a response. I don't know what all is in it. Anything in the world with a magnetic indicator will be useless.
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Oh I meant more of our own sense of direction and sense of things around us. |
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Just posted some doom enriched info here:
ClimatePatrol.com - Possible Effects of a Magnetic Reversal
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Suddenly, the bees are simply vanishing
| Quote From Source: | The dead bees under Dennis vanEngelsdorp's microscope were like none he had ever seen.
He had expected to see mites or amoebas, perennial pests of bees. Instead, he found internal organs swollen with debris and strangely blackened. The bees' intestinal tracts were scarred, and their rectums were abnormally full of what appeared to be partly digested pollen. Dark marks on the sting glands were telltale signs of infection.
"The more you looked, the more you found," said VanEngelsdorp, the acting apiarist for the state of Pennsylvania. "Each thing was a surprise."
Scientists have scoured the country, finding eerily abandoned hives in which the bees seem to have simply left their honey and broods of baby bees.
"We've never experienced bees going off and leaving brood behind," said Pennsylvania-based beekeeper Dave Hackenberg. "It was like a mother going off and leaving her kids."
Researchers have picked through the abandoned hives, dissected thousands of bees, and tested for viruses, bacteria, pesticides and mites.
So far, they are stumped.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/...n&ctrack=1&cset=true
just as we expected, months ago I might add, this is a serious problem. |
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This has has happened in the past has it not? I mean I dont know if its the same issue with the organs and stuff, but there have been die offs before.
I wonder if whoever said "It may be due to genetically altered food we are planting"....may be on to something
They should take the warning labels off of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
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yes there have been reports of CCD before, but nothing quite like this. something is very wrong here. |
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Well we are modifying crops so that the pollen contains pesticides.
These folks know that bees eat pollen. Its hard not to suppose that its deliberate.
All of my life, I've seen people do self destructive things for short term gains. It was a turning point for me when I realized that folks at the heights of industry engage in the same foolhardy practices.
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| Quoting Weaseldog - posted on 6/11/2007 at 12:18 |
All of my life, I've seen people do self destructive things for short term gains. It was a turning point for me when I realized that folks at the heights of industry engage in the same foolhardy practices.
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Well said WD.
the sad truth is - we live in a 'bottom line' society, during
the Age of Marketing |
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Does anyone know how long they have been feeding the bees high fructuse corn syrup? Fungus/mycotoxin is used in the manufacture of that. The problems the bees presented with might be traced to a fungal infection. |
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Asian Parasite Killing Western Bees - Scientist
| Quote From Source: | MADRID - A parasite common in Asian bees has spread to Europe and the Americas and is behind the mass disappearance of honeybees in many countries, says a Spanish scientist who has been studying the phenomenon for years.
The culprit is a microscopic parasite called nosema ceranae said Mariano Higes, who leads a team of researchers at a government-funded apiculture centre in Guadalajara, the province east of Madrid that is the heartland of Spain's honey industry.
He and his colleagues have analysed thousands of samples from stricken hives in many countries.
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Source Planet Ark
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http://www.planetark.com/dai...y.cfm/newsid/43163/story.htm
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sOOoo - can it be stopped ?
these little guys are kinda good to have around. |
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finally. i'm impressed/disappointed it took people this long to find the culprit |
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Treatment for nosema ceranae is effective and cheap -- 1 euro (US$1.4) a hive twice a year -- but beekeepers first have to be convinced the parasite is the problem.
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Source: http://www.planetark.com/dai...y.cfm/newsid/43163/story.htm
I think it is important to treat the hive especially in cases where the hive is being moved around. If you don't treat then you are at high risk of spreading this problem over a larger area. Treat it. I'll pay a higher price for honey knowing we'll still have it.
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